Monday, January 04, 2010

The Love Which Dare Not Speak Its Name

Here's an email that I sent to a English teacher acquaintance of homosexual inclination:

. . . I remember reading on your blog you are attracted to handsome Arabic men -- you ought to consider the Middle East, i don't think I've ever been sexually propositioned by men so much in my life! Homosexuality may be illegal, but lacking ready contact with women, lots of guys seem to do it.


In point of fact that's probably not true, I probably got propositioned (or at least complimented on my ass) just as much when I lived in the French Quarter in New Orleans when I was in college, or by "lady boys" in Thailand. But there you kind of expect it, you know? Now I'd heard stories, but things are so otherwise copacetic here that it still rather surprised me.

But it's hardly overt or intimidating (not, yet, anyway); just overly-friendly invitations to visit somebody's house, perhaps with some atttempted leg stroking. Guys often hold hands and kiss when they meet; that's just natural for them. Being raised by a wire monkey myself, I can only envy them their comfort levels.

My acquaintance responded:


I do like those hottie Arab guys. So sexy and confident. The problem is that most of them are tops ( they want to fuck you ) and usually ( 95% ) I'M the one on top. I'm not much of a bottom ( the one getting fucked ). So if you are thinking of "experimenting" keep this in mind. Also, these guys are not gay. Any port in a storm is the norm in the middle east, if you know what I mean.
\\

I emailed him back:

yeah, you're right -- it's hardly a lifestyle gay thing. Nah, not really thinking of experimenting, i still like tits.

98 comments:

TEFL makes me feel like a secret agent. said...

Plenty of men out there with man tits.

Elena said...

Sorry for my English but I am russian, speaking French also. My friend sent me the link on your blog. I am 30 y.o.woman living in Moscow speaking 2 languages, having French Master, earning 1500 euros which is very very little money for Russia. It is my first job as I was married for 9 years and never worked before. Now I am divorced and must earn my life so I understand that it is a shame to earn 1500 euros at 30 years old. I am trying to move, to make a career, to learn and to move forward. You are a man, 40 y.o., earning nothing, not learning, drinking and fucking 20 y.o. poor gilrs from poor russian provinces. What is your background? What are you doing in life when not fucking and teaching ? Reading ? Going to the theatre? You are humiliating women you fuck thus humiliating yourself. You show to public photos of girls who trusted you, to whom you were saying nice words and you are now making fun of them. It is disgusting. As is disgusting your old body and becoming bold head. You get what you are looking for - stupid cheap girls interested only in money. And you know why you get them and why they are interested only in money - because you can not give anything else. You can not give love, friendship, cleverness, you can not be interesting. So all girls around you are looking only for money. But you can not give them even money. So the only thing you can give them - is a good fuck. Buy you are 40, so in 5-10 years even this will not be possible. I am sorry that you could find only bad features in russian girls, but i believe that you found exactly what you were looking for.

english student x said...

Elena: http://xkcd.com/386/

Elena said...

OK OK But i needed to kick someone's ass and he was on the way. So I am somehow greatful to him for his wonderful blog. I have never met such a man before and was a kind of.... mmmmm..... surprised. OK - maybe I should really make sex a little bit more but i am tired of it.

stevie austin said...

1500 euros! Very little money ??!!

I think you must be living in dreamland Elena, there are not many countries where you can earn 1500 euro and not consider it an acceptable wage.

Elena said...

Stevie, I am not living in a dreamworld. I am from this world. That is why I know that this amount of money is really little for Moscow. One flat appart in this city is rented at 800$ + food, clothes etc etc. But this is not so important. I just wanted to say to English Teacher X that before writing such disgusting things about russian women he should be someone (personally related, money related or whatever). If man wants to fuck a normal woman ("such a heart") he must be able to give her smth in return - maybe love, maybe interesting personality, maybe super sex, maybe intelligence. If he can not give all this - then money. English Teacher X can not give anything of it, not even money. The story of 250 roubles shashlyk run away is just pathetic for a man. So maybe before juging russian women he should look at himself in a mirror. Or maybe he should try an american girl. But i am afraid an american girl would not even look at him.

stevie austin said...

Elena, I accept your point that paying 50% of your wage on accomodation is expensive, but according to

http://infrastructure.moscow.ru/en/economy_business/bisness/market_in_Moscow/salary/

the average salary in Moscow last year was 29,860 rubles, or 694 Euro.

This means you are 200% higher than average. Something you shouldn't be "ashamed" about (is the self-esteem of russians dependant upon their income ? Maybe X is right then? )

But back to X and his profligate ways. Yes he tells stories about sex, drinking, and ribaldry but he has never shown a picture of a woman with her face visible, nor has he ever mentioned anyone by their real name. In this aspect he has been quite respectful.

I don't think that anyone has been humiliated by X. Possibly the girls have enjoyed their short time with X and see it as one way of experiencing something american.

If you went to my home country you would have many men view you as exotic and i'm sure many activities would be made available to you that aren't offered to the locals. This would be your good fortune and you are allowed to enjoy this for the short time that it is available. I would not begrudge this to you.

Finally, you are right in saying it is sad for a 40 yr. old man to continue this lifestyle. I agree with you. And so does X. That is why he is now in the middle-east.

English Teacher X said...

Yeah, lots of good points there. I find it interesting thought that you find that shashleek story "disgusting for a man" -- this was a case in which 4 women were quite blatantly using me and my friend for free drinks -- we bought them about 4 beers apiece and I think a canned cocktail -- and we finally walked away at the next restaurant, when they wanted us to pay for some (rather expensive) food also. That's disgusting, and not the orgy stories?

1500 euros is more than enough to live on in Moscow, unless you're wasting all your money on smartphones and Gucci bags and all that other crap that so many women (not just in Russia) have been been brainwashed into thinking is normal by SEX IN THE CITY

English Teacher X said...

http://web.archive.org/web/20080113234425/http://www.skateforfun.com/englishteacherx/backup/page40.html

Here's a story about my experiences with women in America (albeit two of them were from other countries.)

Olya said...

Hi! Elena won't answer as she left for vacation. Actually i am the friend, who sent her a link to this blog. I was not planning to write anything, but just can't help it now:)

As for the shashlik story, YOU joined the company of how you call them "real old-school gangster molls". You KNEW, that they would make you pay. What were your intentions, what did you expect from a cheap type of girls working in auto dealership? I think it is pretty obvious and you are lucky their "sponsors" didn't appear:) I don't think you had to pay for their food and etc, but as well i think you shouldn't join this company in the first place. Every action usually has its consequences and you should be aware of that, as you are not 12yo...The whole story looks not disgusting but cheap to me, and unfortunately that is what many foreigners do in Russia. After living in some small boring village they come to Moscow and have fun, gaining experience in this way.

For the foreigners who read this blog and think, that all what Russian girls want is money and don't understand, why they should pay in the pubs, restaurants and etc dedicated: it is Russia, and you came here as a guest, so you should follow the rules. And it is a rule, that THE MAN PAYS. So expect to pay, if you are inviting a girl somewhere. You can think it is unfair, but it is a rule. If you don't have much money - offer dinner at home or bring to a place which you can afford (eg McDonalds;), if she stops meeting with you after that - better for you, probably that's not your type of girl and she doesn't like you. From this blog you really can think that all Russian girls are greedy whores. Not sure how X should be called then, but if he is digging in the dirt, then there is very little chance to find pearls, isn't it?

The main idea was "getting laid" - well, he've got it (for free!!!;), he should be happy&grateful and not complain, how bad everyone around is. If he wanted good attitude and relations, he probably was with wrong people and/or showing wrong attitude. He should have been running from the girls with the type of behavior he described, but that is exactly what he wanted, so congrats! Its just a pity, that being in Russia, he could find only the bad sides of everything.

I would agree with Stevie, i didn't see any names so far, but i am pretty sure, the girls whose pics he posted (i don't talk about part of the bodies) don't know about that, right? This is personal and i am pretty sure, if he showed his blog to those 'cam girls' (especially this one http://englishteacherx.blogspot.com/2009/12/horny.html), there won't be any cams and any girls... I am not trying to protect those girls, they most likely also got what they deserved.

As for salary, i don't think Lena meant, that she is really "ashamed" about her salary, she probably meant that she wants to achieve more and, of course, it includes rise in salary. By the way, buying Gucci and etc is too expensive in Russia (http://www.tsum.ru/offers-static/forwomen.html), its not US with tons of real outlets. For 1500Euro you can't really buy designer clothes and buy food at the same time - tough choice;) I also want higher salary and i am not just sitting and complaining - i am getting international qualification right now, which takes a lot of time, effort & money, but it's never too late to change smth in life, to find new ways, if old don't work for you. Russia gives lots of opportunities for those who are clever enough to use them.

Anyway, as i can see X is in Middle East now and far away from Russia, so much hated by him. That was a clever move - there is no sense in whining, complaining and doing nothing. Well, good luck! And i do mean it :)

PS Sorry for interrupting you, guys, and lecturing, just couldn't help:)))

stevie austin said...

Olya, Elena, good to have a females perspective her for a change ;-)

Can i ask if the rule in russia is changing ? Once in the West the man used to pay for everything too, but when woman became paid the same (more or less) it was expected that as she earns the same, she has to pay her share as well.

Maybe on a first date etc, the man might still pay to show some ol-time manners, but after that the woman needs to show she is egalitarian and pull her weight too.

Is this happening in Russia?

stevie austin said...

And specifically, as Elena earns 1500 euro, would she expect a man who makes the Moscow average of 694 euro, to pay for her?

And for how many dates etc,?

Olya said...

Stevie,

I personally always offer to pay when I go out with foreigners (they usually refuse - probably well trained by former girlfriends:) As well i think if man invites me to some really expensive place, then he probably can afford that and i wouldn't offer to pay.

When i was in long term relations, to be frank, i didn't offer to pay, when we went out. He was American guy with 10K USD salary, so he was paying all the time, which didn't seem to bother him. If his salary was more like mine, then i would probably also pay.

As for average salary, this will probably sound not nice, but i don't think either Lena or i would meet with the guy who is permanently getting so much lower salary than we do. Permanent salary like that would mean either 1) he is a student 2) he has lower education than i have (eg he is a driver) 3) he has a good education but he just didn't fit into this life. In cases 1 he is probably too young for me, in case 2 he is not the right person for me (though he can be very nice), as i need someone who will be better or at least not worse than i, in case 3 - he is a looser, which is very sad.

If you are dating with girl and all what she wants is to go out to restaurants and bars every evening, i would start thinking, what exactly she wants from you and whether she likes to be with you there or she just likes to eat in nice places. Dinner at home can be as nice as in restaurant, sometimes even nicer.

So i think it is very individual and changes from case to case. But general rule is what i wrote. Maybe it will change, but not soon;)

English Teacher X said...

There you have it folks, right from the Russian girls' mouth.

Regarding the pictures -- if you want to see MUCH more revealing photos of Russian girls, I recommend the Russian social networking site Vkontakte. (www.vkontakte.com) It has an English interface now. Or search for "Russia" on Myspace or Facebook.

The girl from the picture in the "Horny" entry -- her main objection to that photo was that it made her look fat.

Olya said...

Mr X: as i already said - you can find dirt in www.vkontakte.ru, or on www.myspace.com or whenever you search for it. If you want to find the proof that all Russian girls are whores - you will find it. If you want to prove that they are not - you will also find it. Life is not black or white, you know. There are lots of terrible girls/guys in Russia, in US, in other countries. I also can tell you couple of terrible stories about foreigners, but would this mean that all of them like that? Would it really prove smth? Should i start hating everyone around because smth goes wrong sometimes?

If girl from the "Horny" entry knows that her pic is getting published, then, again, you know whom you are dealing with:)

English Teacher X said...

All the things you so casually said about yourself are the reason I have a lot of problems with Russian girls. "No matter whether I like him or not, he's not for me" -- if he makes 300 euros a month less than me. It's this cold, calculating attitude to life -- always thinking about profit -- that makes me dislike Russians. I bet you would sooner die than go without your Apple Iphone and Gucci bag, Olya. . .

stevie austin said...

"This will probably sound not nice....."

Whoa!!

You are right Olya, it sounds absolutely disgusting. Have you seen those U.S. movies about stuck-up high school girls? That sounds exactly like something they would say.

You said permanent salary like that would mean one of three things, ...... but you are wrong. The salary i quoted was the AVERAGE salary in Moscow, so it would mean the person who made that kind of salary is your AVERAGE employee. Not a student, not a taxi driver, and not a loser.

I have to say that i find it really shallow that you and Lena would think like that. And as someone who earns a lot more money than you, I will be avoiding russian woman in the future. I want to meet a nice woman and that attitude does not fit with my idea of nice.

And as X is now earning a lot of money I think he will be avoiding you guys too.

English Teacher X said...

I promise I DID NOT make up those things those girls wrote. This is not one of my troll attacks. I've turned off comment moderation, feel free to jump in.

Anonymous said...

notice how casually she throws in that she was fucking a guy who made $10,000 a month

English Teacher X said...

That's a usual oil engineer corporate salary there.

Anonymous said...

My god that's amazing. I always thought English Teacher X was exxagerating about Russian women. This must be a joke!

Anonymous said...

So, Elena, why did your husband leave you? Traded in for a younger prettier model, eh? Too bad this mercenary stuff works both ways!

Anonymous said...

I guess she couldn't provide him with "love friendship cleverness" or money. . .

English Teacher X said...

oh come on. It could have been the other way around!

Olya said...

Wow, i can see, that my last comment didn't leave you indifferent. Well, probably it touched the open wound... Calm down, guys...

I hope the conversation won't turn into insulting each other, which i can actually expect, based on what i read in this blog. I have my opinion and it has a right to exist, whether you agree or disagree with that.

First of all, i am not Elena, she is on vacation, as i already wrote. So you can keep all your sarcasm concerning her personal life till the moment she is back and can answer.

".... I have a lot of problems with Russian girls. "No matter whether I like him or not, he's not for me" -- if he makes 300 euros a month less than me."

Personally i don't think that plus/minus 300euro is making much difference. What is more important, no one likes angry sarcastic people hating everyone around. So until this changes, all the changes in your material status are not important. Other important things: What is your education? In which University you studied? Do you have your teaching certificate? I hope you do have all of that. What are you doing in your free time? How many exhibitions you visited? Do you go to theater? Are you interested in history? Reading books? What are your interests except tits/drinking beer/cheap girls? I don't see it from this blog (just look at the labels...).

"notice how casually she throws in that she was fucking a guy who made $10,000 a month"

Anonymous, its a pity you didn't show your name. Anyway, all of us are more or less anonymous here, so i will answer. I was not "f*ing" him, i loved him and was making love to him, and lived with him for 3 years, last of which was spent in hospitals, when he got very sick. Yes, i didn't leave him, as you could have thought, based on your ideas about Russian women. Yes, he had a high salary. i must say, when you are sick, money is a very good thing and it sometimes is the only chance to survive, unfortunately. The only point why i wrote about his salary is not to insult all of you, but to show that he was getting much more, than i was getting. That is all. Don't envy. I won't comment again on this part of my life, as it is getting too personal.

Stevie, as you probably know, in Russia system of "salary in the envelopes" is very popular. So officially you get one salary, and inofficially (in envelope) another. So please don't talk about the statistics in application to Russia. With that "average" type of salary (29,860.2 RUB) in Moscow you won't be able to rent a decent flat + decent healthy food + buy decent clothes, i am not even talking about having kids... I could have told you, that money doesn't mean anything, but that wouldn't be true. I think that money is a very good thing, as it gives lots of opportunities, but i don't think that money can substitute other things, which are much more important.

I don't know, whether you know about that or not, but in many cases those people, who were not born in Moscow but come to Moscow form other towns to study/work, are much more successful - why? because those from them, who come to Moscow, are the fighters, and they know that they need to survive here, they need to be better than "average", they always search for the ways to achieve more. Not only drinking, f*ing and wasting their time.

Olya said...

Part 2

And i was not trying to find some "bag of money" and "parasitize" on him. I was studying, developing myself and i still continue to do that. And i do think, that the man/woman, in case of getting fired shouldn't start drinking and moaning, that life is unfair, but should go and find a new job, or go and change the qualification, or do smth about that. As i said, Russia gives lots of opportunities - go study English and you will find a job in better company, your salary will rise, prove that you know more, than others do, that you are a valuable employee. if you are lazy, it is easy to tell that this is "average". What i am saying is that there is always a way to improve yourself and your life. And "average poorness" is for losers, pls don't beat me for that...:) Again, i am talking about men/women 30-45 y.o. This is the age, when evth is possible and you and only you can take your life under control and responsible for it.

Do you know many women, who would tell you that money is not important at all and will agree to live with you under the bridge? Those who tell you so are either the ones living in a dreamworld or are the posers... Or maybe she is living under the bridge too. Everyone wants to live not worse, than he/she is living right now. I am not an exception.

PS You will be disappointed, but I don't have and never had either iPhone or Gucci bag, or any other posh things, as i do think it is a waste of money...

Anonymous said...

so, what percentage of your salary do you spend on makeup?

Anonymous said...

so the go that made $10,000 a month -- suppose he lost his job suddenly. Time to find a new guy?

Olya said...

Anonymous, pls read my comments above carefully. Questions like "how much you spend on make up?", "how much you spend on toilet paper?" are not constructive and won't add anything to the story...

English Teacher X said...

Why, thank you for asking Olya. My other hobbies include sports such as swimming, kickboxing workouts, biking and rollerblading, and I like walking -- in the country or the city -- quite a bit. I do enjoy reading (last book finished was a collection of short stories by HG Wells -- I find him very under-rated) and i'm a fan of films both new and old. I like writing and used to enjoy drawing but don't do it much anymore.

I have a BA in English literature as well as a DELTA teaching certificate. Obviously you have only read the entries about Russian girls. . .I think I mention all of these things on the blog. You can friend me on vkontakte with the name "English Teacherx"

Anonymous said...

I understand that Russian girls work only to make money for makeup, and men are supposed to provide the rest. Is this true

Anonymous said...

This has got to be a joke. . . Englih teacher X at it again. or some troll, anywya. I was buying it until the "my dear love who made $10,000 died slowly in the hosptial" part

Anonymous said...

see, she doesn't want to say. probably spends more on makeup than she does on rent.

Anonymous said...

if you had the choice between a really nice sweet guy who treated you with respect, who made 1000 euros a month, or an mean and possessive guy who treated you badly but gave you a lot of gifts who made 10,000 euros per month, which would you choose?

English Teacher X said...

she already said -- "even if he is nice he is not for me" if he makes that kind of salary.

Anonymous said...

hard to believe you left Russian girls like these behind, X! Aren't they making you homesick?

Olya said...

Mr X: Ok, good, now i have better pic of you, which unfortunately doesn't correlate much with what i read in the blog so far:) Of course, i didn't read all your blog (i apologize for that), but what i read was terrible.

"I understand that Russian girls work only to make money for makeup, and men are supposed to provide the rest. Is this true"

That is your personal opinion. If you want to hear, that i spend all my money on makeup, you won't hear that. Parents support + further education + flat rent + food + clothes, not much left for a makeup.

"if you had the choice between a really nice sweet guy who treated you with respect, who made 1000 euros a month, or an mean and possessive guy who treated you badly but gave you a lot of gifts who made 10,000 euros per month, which would you choose?"

How old are you to ask such mmm... "strange" questions? What did you expect to hear? I will choose 10K guy??? I think i explained my point of view already, money doesn't substitute other things, which are more important.

"she already said -- "even if he is nice he is not for me" if he makes that kind of salary"

Pls don't take the words out of the context. Again, out of all the points i made, you find smth, which proves what YOU want to be proved.

I don't want to be rude, but i won't add you in vkontakte, as you are not under your real name there, and i am. And i have normal pictures and real friends there, not a bunch of scam friends with naked tits, that you probably have... So that won't be a fair deal...

stevie austin said...

Olya,

Thanks for your comments and the sensible nature with which they are made, they are very appreciated.

To all the 'Anonymous' posters, how about you stop making the personal attacks on Olya and use at least a name to identify yourselves.

Perhaps X can turn the comment moderation back on because if it wasn't for Olya's good nature in answering some stupid accusations then what could have been a good debate may have just finished in argumentum ad hominem and insults.

Of course money is important if you are looking for a partnership in life, so Olya is right to take it into account as we all do. I am not interested in girls who only want to start a family and then expect me to work myself to death to pay for it.

But then again, I do not take income into account when I initially meet a woman and accept/propose a date. So there is still a good chance that should the love be strong enough, then the fact that she lives under a bridge would not matter. Seriously.

Anonymous said...

. . . and how much blood does an average size Russian girl have to drink to survive on an average day?

Anonymous said...

and when you suck a man's soul out, does that mean that you attain all the skills and knowledge that that man had? Wow! That must be useful!

Anonymous said...

when you put your $10,000 former boyfriend in the hospital, did the police found out that you had poisoned him for his money, or did you get away with it?

Anonymous said...

i got a question -- what color panties do you have on?

English Teacher X said...

Okay, now you're just being silly.

stevie austin said...

X, turn the comment moderation back on!

Idiots fuck these up for everyone

Anonymous said...

Ha ha. . . because we all know people come here for serious discussion of important issues.

stevie austin said...

Anonymous,

I don't know why you guys are getting upset that Olya would not date you because you are not rich.

Especially since you don't meet any of her other criteria of being educated, smart, or decent.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the first chick -- English teacher X is a loser, and now he's a homo as well, living among the Arabs instead of cute girls.

Anonymous said...

ah, poor Russians ,have not lived long enough in the capitalist world to see how badly it sucks to waste all of your life working 60 hours a week to buy stuff you don't need and taking a holiday one week a year to soem identical tourist resort full of equally boring worker-drone people. . .

stevie austin said...

Mind you the last two comments were funny and correct (in that order)

p.s. i wish everyone would stop using 'anonymous' so i could refer individually

Anonymous said...

for nine years Elena didn't work-of course she wants to get back on the gravy train-don't we all want that life of parasitical indolence

TEFL makes me feel like a secret agent. said...

i just came back to check if anyone commented on 'Man boobs'...

Olya said...

Hi guys, i can see that you kept yourself entertained while i was away. "Man boobs"? oh, you are out of topic;)

To Stevie:
Stevie, thank you for your comment and support. I am really happy that at least someone heard and tried to understand my point of view. I will return to you later in my comment.

Now Anonymous...
"Ha ha. . . because we all know people come here for serious discussion of important issues."
Mr. X, You are well educated clever person with variety of interests and this is how people see your blog. Its really a pity.
Anonymous, you can move from these comments to some other post, i am sure Mr.X will write it very soon especially for you, so you can enjoy yourself there.

Still to Anonymous:
I do think that smth is wrong in your life based on your comments. I don't really even care, WHO you ARE and WHAT you are writing. YOU should care about that. If you behave like that here, then you are the one behaving like moron in your personal/professional life. All of you are no more than a bunch of guys, who are afraid even to show their e-net names. Easy to be brave being Anonymous. I won't be answering to comments from Anonymous anymore.

Olya said...

Stevie, now i am back to you.
"But then again, I do not take income into account when I initially meet a woman and accept/propose a date. So there is still a good chance that should the love be strong enough, then the fact that she lives under a bridge would not matter. Seriously."

Woman living under the bridge would be really stinky and unpleasant to meet with;) Ok, just joking. Now, seriously speaking, i will say that i don't believe in love from the first sight as it is shown in the films, at least when you are 30yo. I do believe that you meet a person and like him a lot, feel attracted to him, then you communicate and see, whether you have common interests, whether you can get along, his attitude towards you. All those things are important. And this is a base for long happy relations for me.

Here very fair question would be - what about "average salary" she wrote about? Pls note, that it is not written on guy's head, how much money he earns. Do you really think i meet a guy, ask how much he gets, calculate and then say, "Your wage is 300Euro less than mine. Next!"???

What i was trying to explain, is that I just don't need a guy, who will feel pity to himself all the time, blame for evth "unfair life", comforts himself with the thought that "i was very white and fluffy before and unfair life made me like that", moaning, complaining. And i do believe, that in most cases unsuccessful people are like that. I do think that the salary above 1K EURO is the least what good specialist in Moscow should be getting in order not to feel unhappy about his salary.

To be frank, i spent on this blog much more time, than i expected to. Oh well, holidays are still here. I know, that for 95% of you my words won't change anything, you will read all of this and laugh or write stupid comments. But i do hope that the remaining 5% will start thinking. Life is not really black or white, it is just not. It is through the prism of our own attitude to life we see it in one color.

English Teacher X said...

Also funny is the fact that a lot of Russian men would refuse to go out with a woman who makes more money than him. 2010, or 1888?

Lawrence said...

Women in all countries act the same;-it's just Russians are more upfront about it.
Very impressive English from Elena and her mate.
Off topic but what a sick part of the world you live in:
UAE: British Woman Raped, Then Arrested and Put in Jail for “Illegal Sex”
http://www.realcourage.org/2010/01/uae-rape-victim-arrested/

Elena said...

Guys, i am back ;))
As you are so interested why my husband left me - i will give you the story about an average russian woman. My husband is an expat, earning ..... 20 000 EURO per month ;) We were married for 9 years. But in fact we were not in love. Then i met a man i fell in love. And i told to my husband that i am leaving. It is not what i am looking for, but my boyfriend is also a foreigner. He earns much less than my ex, but enough. But sometimes i pay the car rental when we go for vacation or invite him to restaurants, it is a problem for him as his salary is much higher than mine but i really want to participate and do it when i can. By the way - i do not buy Gucci bags (with my salary i can not afford it)

Elena said...

And ok - i had never cheated on my husband before i learned smth which made me free from any obligation. When i meet a man i am interested in his personality and yes, sometimes i invited him to a bar or resto and pay for him. It is not a problem for me and thus i also want to show him that i am his equal (that is why i have problems with russian men - they are used to dominate women which i do not appreciate). When i met my boyfriend - i told him directly that everything i need from him is sex and no serious relations as i have no time and energy on this. So he thought i am a whore ;))) But he was so nice to me that I forgot about bitchy behavior pretty fast. He is very ill, at the beginning i didn't know about it. And now i can't leave him because i will never respect myself after this. Why i told you all this - i want you to understand that if you want to fuck whores - you will fuck whores, if you want to be loved - you will find this. You can not treat women like whores and wait something better in return. And yes, money counts ;))) I am just back from vacation where I was with my kids. 70 000 roubles for 5 days in 2 star hotel - please do not tell me after this that money doesn't count !!!!

Anonymous said...

and you can not treat whores like women, and expect something better in return. . .

Anonymous said...

Great joke pertending to be a Russian girl, X. . . but a little too obvious. "Okay, I cheated on my boyfriend but it was for love, I didn't care about his 20,000 euros I was spending freely. .." have a heart, will you? There probably are some nice Russian girls out there, somewhere!

Anonymous said...

i dunno, it might be real. When the one girl said her boyfriend makes 10,000 per month, the other one immeidatley mentions her boyfriend made 20,000 per month.

reminds me of joke -- two Russian girls are walking down the street, one says to the other, "Do you like my new mink coat? It cost 14,000 euros." The other one sneers and says, "You dumb bitch, I know a place you could get it for 15,000 euros."

Anonymous said...

My god, I HOPE this is a joke. . . and I'm reading this correctly, somehow BOTH of them have sick foreign boyfriends they don't want to leave? Waiting for them to kick off and leave them some money in their wills, I guess. . .

Anonymous said...

I'm am CRAPPING myself laughing here. . . the more these girls write, the deeper graves they dig for themselves. . . if you are trying to look Russian girls look innocent and honest and not greedy, girls, you are doing a TERRIBLE job.

Anonymous said...

Guys, salaries of 20 000 euro are real, but its only for people with MBA degree. First you pay for MBA brand, than it works for you.
In oil&gas companies Moscow expats get even more than 20 000 Euro per month + driver + flat +school for children + annual bonus.
Several years in terrible Russia make oil and gas specialists really rich. Why do you think prices for flats in the center were high before crisis? Many oil& gas companies had expensive expats living in fancy flats

Anonymous said...

These russian girls did not lie.
Its possible to make $10 000 per month in Russian and Kazakhstan. There are open vacancies and positions, but with appropriate degree.
http://www.preng.com/what-weve-done/by-industry.htm#upstream

stevie austin said...

Elena,

I didn't need to know why you left your husband, i didn't want to know how much money he maked, and i didn't need to know that you dated your new boyfriend just for sex.

Therefore I congratulate X for playing the Troll and fooling his readers.

Really X, you have more talent than this 13 year old boys form of literature.

Anonymous said...

yeah, we all know there are some grossly overpaid engineering project managers and such in Russia. And plenty of women to chase them.

They all deserve each other.

English Teacher X said...

It's not me. . . although it might be somebody else being a troll. It's a rather elaborate ruse, with two profiles, and if it had been me, I don't think I would have done the "staying with the sick guy" thing and my imaginary Russian girls would definitely have had Gucci bags.

Anonymous said...

"yeah, we all know there are some grossly overpaid engineering project managers and such in Russia. And plenty of women to chase them. They all deserve each other"
Its the opposite direction. These old engineers who come to Russia chase young russian ladies. Do you think they can buy them in USA? No way. Only in developing countries women make foreigners feel like kings. Poor girls raise self esteem for foreigners. Probably, such men were abused in youth and they overcome at retirement.
Foreigners can buy only cheap ladies there without any self respect or good education.
The real Russian LADY would say them See you later Aligator.
Some men become so spoiled with available russian girls that they cant stop. They leave american wifes, forget about families and stay in Russia. They put botox into their faces and try to look young. You can find them in the north of Russia. Its ridiculous to think that women would love them for money. It looks disgusting when they take chicks who cant even talk in English.

stevie austin said...

if the foreigner gets paid 20,000 a month, i guarantee he will be able to get girls in his own country as well.

El Cabron que se rie... said...

Hey, I'm liking this Elena chick. D'you fancy living in Mexico, babes?

Nice climate, plenty to drink and smoke, AND I can promise you a standard of living that's way above anything you'd get in, er, Valdivostok. Or Archangelsk.

Think about it, Lena. I'm waiting on your reply

stevie austin said...

you got 20k a month el cabron? and not peso currency either

Elena said...

El Cabron, than you very much for your offer )) Are you ready to adopt two kids, a dog and a spoilt blonde ? ))) Unfortunately I must refuse your kind offer as it will be too heavy burden for you )))

Steve, as for you. I wrote about some personal thing here because I wanted you guys to understand that money is not everything in relationship. And that, yes, we can even leave a 20,000$ guy for much less rich man. But OK, if you want to believe in it, I will confirm - all russian girls are whores .... only depends with whom

English Teacher X said...

oh man. . . I hope that is the final word on that subject!

Elena said...

Certainly, Mr. Do not be so jealous ;) There are people earning more and there are people who are loved and respected by women. But I am sure that you are among them .... Or maybe not ;)

The TEFL Tradesman said...

Yelena, I can offer you something similar to El Cabron, but in the Gulf. But leave the kids and the dog behind, will ya!? And your boyfriends, too...

You'll need to share with my wife and kids, but multiple wives are common here.

Do you like Landcruisers? I've got two ... and one of them's yours if you'll come. Or maybe I could drive over to your place, eh?

English Teacher X said...

Love by preying mantis, I can do without, thank you very much. Better to die alone! Thank you for so vividly illustrating everything bad about Russian girls. . . I think a lot of people didn't believe me, until you posted this stuff. . .

Elena said...

Имеющий уши да услышит

Anonymous said...

oh come X, don't feel bad! you know that she'll die alone, also, when no one wants here anymore because she's used-up and dried-out. Old for Russian chicks is 28, elderly is about 35. Can't you just picture her? all the lines on her face from the cigarettes and coffee she uses to stay thin, her hair as lifeless as seaweed from decades of bad die-jobs. And her new boyfriend leaves her and takes up with some 20 year old from the village. . .

Anonymous said...

so, you have daughters Elena? how old? and how much for one of them?

Anonymous said...

The Russian quote there, for those of you who don't want to bother to use Google Translate, is roughly "He who has ears, let him hear."

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Anonymous said...

women like this are the reason I beat up hookers

stevie austin said...

Elena,

have you ever seen the movie "Москва слезам не верит"?

But it's understandable that poorer countries promote money as more important compared to wealthier soceities.

Anonymous said...

@ Elena and Olya

How do russian women like black(african american) and hispanic men? I'm hispanic ,do i have a shot?

Anonymous said...

Do not judge Russian Wwoman by talking to Moscow Woman. Huge difference. All money VS REALITY.

McT said...

Huh. Interesting conversation. The Russian girls being direct and respectful while many of the men launched personal attacks and exaggerations. I've been to Russia 15+ times and dated (long and short term) many Russian girls in Russia and Europe. All of them have been fabulous. Intelligent, kind, fun to be with, and beautiful. I've been asked to loan money once and got it back a few months later. I'm not a big gift giver. With the girls I find it is the thought of the gift that counts, not the price. Everyone has to bring something to a relationship. If you want to date a girl in the top (ex) 20% then you aught to be top 20% as well. That's just nature, same in any country. Here's a news flash, it takes a lot of time and effort to stay fit and good looking. If you want a girl that is putting time in to developing herself then it's reasonable for her to want a man that is developing himself as well. Ambitious, moving forward in life, pursuing a career. You guys that are getting down on the girls for wanting a successful man, are you lining up to date ugly girls? After all, love is love, right? No shallow concerns? I adore Russian girls. I encourage my friends to meet them.

McT said...

Seriously be practical, there has to be balance. If you want to date a girl that is 10 years younger than you, then you better have something to offer her that the better looking guy her own age doesn't. What a great country to be a man. If you act like a man (mentally strong, motivated, gentlemanly) then you will find a real woman (caring, attractive). There is even an annual official holiday to celebrate men. Fireworks, gifts from women, and the day off work. Awesome!
There is a stereotype about some poor village girl eager to find a foreigner and emigrate. Sure she exists. But there are also doctors, translators, aeronautical engineers, computer programmers, brain researchers, event organizers, artists, and other extremely talented women. They have their own life, some money of their own, and they are not in a hurry to run away from their native country. I adore my Russian girlfriend. When we visit the US my friends are jealous. And why wouldn't they be? The Russian girls I've dated are prettier, kinder, and less drama queen than what is available to them at home. Go to Russia, the odds are in your favor. If you can't meet a few decent girls there you are doing something wrong!

Mct said...

I don't doubt the experiences of ETX. But I would say they are not the only experience that is possible there.
Perhaps after 9 years in the same place he is simply tired of the same old shit and needs to find some new shit instead.
And Russia is certainly dysfunctional on a daily basis, no doubt about that. Of all the things to complain about in Russia, the girls aren't one of them. And certainly not compared to the women in other countries.

Mct said...

Like I said Russian girls have been pretty awesome to me.
Some of my experiences with Russian girls (and Russia in general):

Understand that Russian girls are culturally programmed to NEED a good man. There is a ton of pressure on them to find one. Compare that to the Western woman's attitude of 'I don't need no man!' All you have to do is be a good man and the girls will be competeing for you.

Whenever I was going to a city for the 1st or 3rd time some girl would ALWAYS volunteer to meet me at the airport. Often this meant they had to miss work or wake up way early, or stay up late when they had work early the next day, then take public transport for an hour then patiently wait for me at the airport. Even longer if the flight was delayed. Who doesn't like to have a beautiful smiling face great and hug them when they arrive? And then they would always arrange transportation in to the city (much cheaper than if I was to do it myself).

I had known a girl for 3 days, we were out walking when I got some really bad news in a SMS. We we weren't fucking and I hadn't given her any gifts. The news really knocked the emotional wind out of me. Like hey, I'm just going to go catatonic and lay down on this cold street until hopefully I die type of feeling. With some help from a stranger she got me in a cab, took me home, cheered me up a bit, cooked, tucked me in to bed. And then never said shit about this little emotional drama ever again.

I'm more than happy to pay for convenience or quality but the girls were always trying to save me money, often at their own expense. 'This restaurant is too expensive, we should go somewhere else...', 'the taxi is too much, let's take the bus...', etc...

I had been friends+ with a girl for a couple years but never been to her house because it was outside the center and everything fun to do was in the center. She invited me to her birthday one year so finally I had to figure out where she lived. With a combination of jostling metro, packed mashrutka, and cold walking, it took me almost 2 hours to reach her place. That means that everytime in those last years that she had come to see me she had spent at least 90 minutes getting there just for the pleasure of my company. 3 hours there and back if she didn't spend the night.

I've never had to go to a girls place to pick her up (unless she lived really close). Only one girl ever insisted that I take her home if we stayed out late.

Many girls get up early, work all day, get off work, show up at my place at 6pm (at which time she hasn't been home since 7am), keep enough energy to be happy and energetic and fun when you go out that night (even when she would rather stay home and rest, because I didn't do shit all day and want to go out), then molest the shit out of me before going to bed. In the morning she gets up early without disturbing me and heads back to work. One girl in particular would pick up any mess from last night (used condoms, food mess), wash the dishes, set out everything for coffee and breakfast, and then quietly head off to work.

McT said...

Keep in mind that the girls are spending alot of time getting ready, walking, and busing just to see you.
Are SOME of then chronically late? Sure. Is there any country where women aren't?
Do they always look fucking fantastic when do show up? Yes.
If she's often late, show up late yourself. Duh! Or bring a book or mp3 player to occupy yourself and when she does show act like you never noticed she was late. Big fucking deal!
Seriously, I'm not going to complain about anything a girl does (owns a ton of clothes and shoes, spends alot of time getting ready, etc...) that benefits me. Who fucking cares if is she's late if she shows up looking like a sex bomb and she's all yours?

Girls that I knew with a car would pick me up to go out and take me home at the end of the night.

Girls on dates were almost always fun, energetic, and great company. None of that drama queen, easily upset, too uptight to have fun bullshit.

I'm not a big spender. I wasn't paying for cars or clothes or mobile phones. I paid of course for the times we were together and the occasional gift/trinket. I lent money once and got it back a few months later. Nobody really ever tried to hit me up for money or gifts.

Girls with a good job would invite me to accompany them on business trips (Greece, Singapore, etc...). I just paid my own ticket and the company took care of the hotel and most of the rest.

Girls with well off parents would invite me to their summer home. 'Come, use our boat, eat our food, drink our beer...'

Girls I was no longer dating (and not paying for) would still invite me to all sorts of parties and events.

When I was moody, childish or just shitty in general the girls were amazingly patient.

The girls never nagged about my drinking, hobbies, going out with the guys, or how I spent my time.

When visiting a girls family her parents would often give us their bedroom while they slept on the couch.

19 year old girls would introduce me (30+) to their family and I got treated great. 'Please, fuck our daughter, you look clean and responsible, be a good influence in her life....' Awesome!

I never got assaulted or robbed. Probably a few times I deserved to be.
Thowing snowballs at some thugs car because he's honking too much is not a great idea.
Neither is yelling 'fucking thief shit' at some mafia controlled Georgian taxi driver because he quoted at high price.
No one was every hostile because I was American.

Seldom do I feel that I got ripped of for being a foreigner. Most places have published prices and where you haggle they may start off with a nutso price but if you know what the proper price range is it's not hard. Don't worry, they're not just trying to rip off foreigners, they try it on everyone. The longer you stay there the more you realize Russians spend far more time fucking each other over than they do taking advantage of foreigners. Do you want to waste your life argueing over 99 cents extra for a watermelon or 50 cents more for a DVD from a street vendor?

Russia isn't paradise by any means and there's alot of dysfunction and things to hate but dear god there's alot to enjoy as well.

McT said...

I forgot to mention, that a man who is underfed or going out wearing wrinkled shitty clothes reflects poorly on the woman he is with. Russian girls are therefore prone to feeding you, ironing your shirts and cleaning your shoes.

McT said...

Sex....

There is some seriously good loving to be had in Russia.
How good? So good that I quit whoring and running around.

First, the girls are pro's at looking and acting sexy. They are obsessed with it. They study magazines and TV shows. They practice posing and looking sexy in the mirror and photos. They know hot to dress, how to give a sultry look, strike a pose of desire, and dance/walk/move in a sexy way. Some of them are just kids playing at an adult game (all talk, no walk) but many can back it up with action.

Find the right girl and she will fuck you with an amount of passion and energy that you could only imagine. You will have sex that until now you have only seen in the the movies. Whatever your desire it will be fulfilled because she likes feeling sexy, having sex, and doing sexy things. She doesn't just tolerate that funny looking flesh bag between your legs, she loves it. Loves touching it, loves tasting it, loves having it inside her. You will never feel frustrated or underserviced. She wants it as much as you do. If your idea of a good evening is to go to a restaurant/bar/concert/museum with a girl that is dressed to kill, build up some sexual tension, then go home and rape the shit out of each other, Russia is a good place to be. Or maybe you just want to go rollerblading in the park and get a blowjob over in those trees? Again. Russia.

How good is it? I was introduced to working girls at a rather young age by some older good influences. Thailand, Dubai, Colombia, Amsterdam, etc... I've sampled the market conditions in most of the worlds famous destinations. Even when I had a great girlfriend I would still hire the occasional pro. I liked the variety, the no hassle, the freaky sex. When I started dating a few Russian girls the whoring trickled out. I wanted to whore, I really did. We'd go out with friends and they'd each grab a girl for company at the bar and then to take home and I was just a stick in the mud. I wanted to participate but wasn't interested in anymore. After the Russian sex I'd had it would just be dissappointing to hire a pro. Like drinking diet Shasta or something. I'd rather go without. That's how good Russian sex was, after months of being without it I'd rather jerk off thinking about old Russian girlfriends and the dirty things we had done than hire a pro.

I have a special one and only girl now. It didn't happen easily and it wasn't something I wanted to happen. In the beginning of our relationship I ran around alot. I'm prone to that. I'd keep two or three girls on the side just on principle and as back up. That's just how I was. She knew about it, didn't like it, but was persistent. Her strategy was to just be awesome in bed and out. She takes care of any sexual need I have before it turns in to a wandering eye. Even when we are apart for a bit and I'm drinking with friends and another girl is available I don't do it. My mind wants it but she takes such good care of me that my body lookes at another girl and just goes 'meh.....'
When my friends talk about their girlfriend getting angry and cutting them off or just not having time/energy for sex any more I laugh. They should get a Russian!

McT said...

Many Russian girls deal with competition in a unique way. In some countries the girl may shout and scream alot, cut off sex, throw shit, trash your apartment, make your hell, etc... My experience with many (thought not all) Russian girls is that when confronted with the idea that you may be sleeping around, they will just try to drain every drop of sexual energy from you so you couldn't possibly screw anyone else. They may attempt to fuck you to exhaustion so you don't even have the energy to leave your apartment.

Katya...god bless you Katya. I always did a super evidence clean up at my apartment. No left behind girl items (earings, hair ties, socks, etc...), no hair in the shower drain or on the pillow, no lipstick stained cups or female cigarette butts. But you, Katya, you had been watching CSI and you, though the apartment was dark and you were already drunk, you found that one hair that I had missed.

K: Vat is thees, mmmm?
Me: Uhhh... it's the cleaning lady's hair I think.
K: Cleaning lady is blondinka, this is brunetka hair.
Me: Uhhh.... maybe this is your hair?
K: Don't be lying to me naughty boy.
K: You're very bad boy, must be spanked...
*spank* *spank* *fuck* *fuck*
*morning, 7am, Katya going to work, I'm still asleep"
K: Waking up naughty boy, I think you still have some bad ideas in you
Me: tired, want sleep, go away
K: Is not possible
*smash* *smash* *fuck* *fuck* *sore pelvis*

I didn't leave the apartment (or even the bed) all day until she came back after work and re-molested me, twice. It was not optional. Then she left and went home. I lay there, near death, with a -80% sperm level. I didn't even want to see another girl for 4 days. Also my pelvis really did hurt.

And there was Irina. We had a daytime weekend date and after a day in the park and some excellent sex (in the park and at home) I told her I had to meet some friends in the evening. She knew this meant another girl. So with about 30 minutes before I had to leave she crawled over with a mischevious look in her face and undid my pants 'meowwww, I want you....'. 'I can't', I said, 'penis tired, no work'. Honestly I was holding back, I wanted to have some mojo left for the evening date. Irina knew this too. I resisted, really, I tired. But she persisted (it took some work, I probably needed a few hour penis rest) until she managed to suck out any remaining mojo I had. Then she smiled, got dressed, said 'have a good a night', and left without any drama. I did meet the other girl and had intended to pursue her but my heart just wasn't in it anymore. I half assed it through the date and went home to sleep by 11.

Yah.....Russian girls are terrible! Don't go there ever!

Go to Russia. Meet some people, have a wild crazy time.
Now go back to your western country. Date a few women there. Talk with your friends about their girlfriends and wives and their sex life. Try not to cackle as they descri\bve their misery and the bullshit they put up with for low quality sex with prissy and pudgy girls.

Sean said...

Great post.

I think Elena and Olya, if they are real, sound like adult women who know a little bit about the reality of life.

I got a laugh out of all of the dramatic responses of, "I would fall in love with someone even if they had less money than me." Great. Good for you. And so what if someone else wants someone with a great personality, good looks AND some money. Do you ever notice that the priority on money happens more in countries where there is a closer history of having to strive to put food on the table and keep your kids warm, fed and educated? What is so threatening about a woman wanting someone who can help keep the wolf from the door?

I bet many of you would prefer the woman you "fell" in love with has nice tits, a pretty face and accommodating personality. But I'm sure you wouldn't let any of your wishes hold you back from falling hopelessly in love with the unattractive bitchy lazy woman - would you?

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Jean Christophe Lemoine said...

I think these two women do not represent Russian women in general.

They're from Moscow, so of course they thrive for men who earn 10000$ and more, while the vast majority of the world population doesnt come up close to even 1000$.

Choose a woman that wont love you for your money but for how tasty your banana down there is. Play the poor guy. Of course don't say, I have no money, just don't show off with your car or manor, hide the rolex :)

Have a bit of charm, be nice, and girls will beg you for sex without even knowing you. Be finnancially solvant, and you'll have 5 girls proposing you marriage each month.

Of course run away from moscovites like olya or lena. Go to provincial Russia, you'll have a ball there with as little as 1000$ a month, I assure you.

Of course being an English teacher is not very well-perceived. English teacher? Yes, a typical backpacker who wants no responsabilities. But again, is there anyplace in the world where they will treat you as a semigod just because you teach English? Not even in South Korea.

See, in Russia, being a secondary teacher is a job for women not men. There are many jobs where women will always prevail. So I dont think English teachers in Russia can go from rags to riches, and people will usually dispise you. Be sure before choosing. Better be a taxy driver.

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing McT is banging 30-something divorcees with children, not the 20-something club girls. To be fair, the 30-something divorcees are far hotter than their American counterparts.

Laky said...

Well, I met in 2013 two russians girls in Morocco, they're young 23&25.One of girls(called A)came to see my friend, and the other one(Called B, I just give those name) she came with her friend.So, A speaks English very good(80%), B her english is very poor. Also, my friend speak english very poor. So, I had to translate and explain for my friend and A. Actually, A was going with my friend, and B was going with me. B starts talk Russian with A. A is a good girl( I really Love it and like it :3 ), B is nervous and she did not like me bwaaaahhhh. B told A that I'm a good speaker, he speaks 3 languages( Arab, English and French) and he is young 21. She is envious of me.Well, I was student at university. I and my friend took those girls to see city. They just bought ticket's car. I and my friend are very hospital and we are very generous person. We bought food, hotel.... After 10 days, A and B go back to Russia.A thanked me, B no. :'( .
I really like A, but B, she makes me took a bad point of vue about Russian girls.